Interview with the Honourable Mahmud Jamal

In this episode of Shaping Canada: 150 Years of Landmark Decisions, we have an exclusive conversation with the Honourable Mahmud Jamal, appointed to the Supreme Court in July 2021 as the first person of colour to serve on Canada’s highest court. Justice Jamal reflects on his immigrant journey, his belief in pluralism, and how studying law in multiple jurisdictions gives judges a better “toolbox” for problem-solving. He discusses the delicate balance between individual rights and state authority, explains how foundational Charter cases like Hunter v. Southam continue to guide the Court, and shares his powerful vision of judges as “temporary custodians of the Constitution.”

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A Historic Appointment
In July 2021, Mahmud Jamal became the first person of colour to serve on the Supreme Court of Canada. “When I was appointed, I was contacted by many young lawyers, students and other Canadians, many who were immigrants or visible minorities, and they told me what my appointment meant to them. It came as something of a shock to me in terms of the impact that it was having on other communities… This is an opportunity not just for me but for them and for their children.”

A Distinguished Career
Justice Jamal was the first in his family to attend university. He earned law degrees from McGill and Yale, then built a distinguished 23-year career as a litigator, appearing before the Supreme Court no less than 35 times as counsel. His commitment to pro bono work and legal education has been a significant part of his career. Before joining the Supreme Court, he served on the Court of Appeal for Ontario beginning in 2019.

The Responsibility of Representation
In his advisory board interview, Justice Jamal spoke of the “tremendous responsibility” that comes with being from a racialized community or minority. “They can see their own faces reflected in the justice system,” he explains. All nine justices share this responsibility to the institution, to the future of the Constitution, and to fidelity to the law.

Balancing Individual Rights and State Authority
Justice Jamal addresses the Court’s role in criminal cases, where it adjudicates the rights of accused persons challenging state authority. “It’s important that individuals have rights, but it’s also important as part of the balance that we maintain appropriate powers of the police and other state authorities to investigate offenses… Much of judging is about striking a balance between competing principles.”

Pluralism as a Unifying Principle
“The only unifying principle that seems to tie my life together is an abiding belief in pluralism,” Justice Jamal shares. His diverse experiences include immigrating to Canada from the United Kingdom, growing up in Edmonton, studying law in Montreal’s linguistically diverse environment, and working internationally. “We have a great opportunity and responsibility to explore all these forms of diversity in our adjudication.”

Legal Pluralism: Common Law, Civil Law, and Indigenous Law
Justice Jamal studied both common law and civil law at McGill, gaining appreciation for viewing legal problems from different perspectives. He emphasizes that Canada’s three foundational legal systems — common law, civil law, and Indigenous law — are all “valuable and worth exploring.”

Learning from Comparative Law
“Studying law in a foreign country allows you to gain a deeper appreciation of your own legal systems. It also allows you to see the possibilities of comparative law.” Justice Jamal studied at Yale and frequently dealt with lawyers in Japan, the United States, and Europe during his practice. “Lawyers and judges are essentially problem solvers. The more tools that we have to solve those problems, either domestic tools or international tools, the better problem solvers we will be.”

Hunter v. Southam: A Foundational Charter Case
Justice Jamal discusses Hunter v. Southam (1984), one of the early decisions interpreting Section 8 of the Charter (the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure). Justice Dickson, looking to American jurisprudence and Viscount Sankey’s “living tree” metaphor, established that Section 8 protects a reasonable expectation of privacy — requiring prior judicial authorization (a warrant) rather than regulatory authorization for searches.

Adapting Precedent to New Technology
“We have to apply these broad principles to deal with pressing problems that come before the court, dealing with new technology that wasn’t contemplated, that didn’t exist at the time the Charter was enacted in 1982.” Cases like Spencer and Bykovets have extended privacy protections to online searches, building upon Hunter v. Southam’s foundation.

Temporary Custodians of the Constitution
Justice Jamal offers a powerful metaphor for the Court’s role: “It’s like a relay race. We are given the baton from our predecessors. We take it forward for a period of time. We try and protect the institution. We try and protect the law and then we pass the baton to somebody else. We are temporary custodians of the Constitution and of the law. We pass it on to the next generation when our time is done.”

Landmark Decisions Mentioned

  • Hunter v. Southam (1984) — Foundational Section 8 Charter case establishing the right to privacy and requiring prior judicial authorization for searches
  • R. v. Spencer (2014) — Extended privacy protections to internet subscriber information
  • R. v. Bykovets (2024) — Extended privacy protections to IP addresses in online searches

Resources and References

    • Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms — Section 8
    • Hunter v. Southam Inc., [1984] 2 S.C.R. 145
    • R. v. Spencer, [2014] 2 S.C.R. 212
    • R. v. Bykovets, 2024 SCC 6Constitution Act, 1982
    • Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms — Section 8
    • Constitution Act, 1982
    • Supreme Court of Canada: scc-csc.ca
    • Cases in Brief: Plain-language decision summaries
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Credit: SCC Collection

The Honourable Mahmud Jamal, Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada

Mahmud Jamal was appointed to the Supreme Court of Canada in July 2021, becoming the first person of colour to serve on Canada’s highest court. Born in Nairobi, Kenya, he immigrated to the United Kingdom with his family before coming to Canada, where he grew up in Edmonton, Alberta.

 

Justice Jamal was the first in his family to attend university. He earned his Bachelor of Civil Law and Bachelor of Laws from McGill University, where he studied both common law and civil law. He later earned a Master of Laws from Yale Law School.

 

Before his judicial appointments, Justice Jamal had a distinguished 23-year career as a litigator, specializing in constitutional, administrative, and commercial law. He appeared before the Supreme Court of Canada 35 times as counsel. He was appointed to the Court of Appeal for Ontario in 2019 before his elevation to the Supreme Court.

 

Throughout his career, Justice Jamal has been committed to pro bono work and legal education. He has taught at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law and Osgoode Hall Law School, and has been actively involved in mentoring young lawyers and law students.

 

He is known for his belief in pluralism and his commitment to exploring the diversity of Canada’s legal traditions, including common law, civil law, and Indigenous legal traditions.

Quiz — Test Your Knowledge

1. What historic milestone did Justice Jamal’s appointment to the Supreme Court represent?

  • A) First immigrant to serve on the Court

  • B) First person of colour to serve on Canada’s highest court

  • C) First justice from Alberta

  • D) First justice with a Yale degree

Answer: B) First person of colour to serve on Canada’s highest court — He was appointed in July 2021.

2. According to Justice Jamal, what is the “unifying principle” that ties his life together?

  • A) A commitment to criminal law

  • B) An abiding belief in pluralism

  • C) A dedication to pro bono work

  • D) A focus on privacy rights

Answer: B) An abiding belief in pluralism — reflecting his diverse experiences as an immigrant, visible minority, and student of multiple legal traditions.

3. What did Hunter v. Southam (1984) establish regarding Section 8 of the Charter?

  • A) The right to a fair trial

  • B) The right to freedom of expression

  • C) The right to a reasonable expectation of privacy, requiring prior judicial authorization for searches

  • D) The right to vote

Answer: C) The right to a reasonable expectation of privacy, requiring prior judicial authorization (a warrant) for searches rather than regulatory authorization.

4. How does Justice Jamal describe the role of judges in relation to the Constitution?

  • A) As permanent guardians

  • B) As temporary custodians who pass the baton to the next generation

  • C) As creators of new law

  • D) As neutral observers

Answer: B) As temporary custodians — “It’s like a relay race. We are given the baton from our predecessors… We pass it on to the next generation when our time is done.”

5. What three foundational legal systems does Justice Jamal identify as valuable in Canada?

  • A) Federal law, provincial law, and municipal law

  • B) Criminal law, civil law, and administrative law

  • C) Common law, civil law, and Indigenous law

  • D) Constitutional law, statutory law, and case law

Answer: C) Common law, civil law, and Indigenous law — He emphasizes that all three are “valuable and worth exploring” as part of Canada’s legal pluralism.

Guest: The Honourable Mahmud Jamal, Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada

Host : Me Hugo Martin

Directed by : Me Hugo Martin

Researchers : Sandrine Raymond

Editing and revision : Laurence Laperriere, Laurence Thériault

Production : Rivercast Média s.a.

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